Tony Tobias, Career Advisor at SAE Institute, Chicago and former SAE student, Justin James, discuss the business of music, the details that matter and what it really takes to get noticed. It’s not what is on the surface but what is inside. At a recent composer gathering at Artists of the Industry in Northbrook, Illinois, the two commandeered the Podcast Desk and discussed their relationship and the transition from student to career at AOFTHEI, relationship and their love for hard work, music and culture.